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> 至于阿富汗总统卡尔扎伊对中国模式的疯狂追逐，“如果阿富汗有机会重新选择的话，一定会走中国
>式的发展道路。因为它行动高效，决策果断，以结果为导向，是一个很好的模式，为所有人带来积极的结
>果。”...
最后一段太不靠谱。卡尔扎伊的原话到底是啥样的？有没有被中国官媒刻意加工过？
中国式的发展道路怎么个走法？成立阿富汗共产党武装夺取政权，然后搞改革开放？从前苏联不是已经在阿富汗建立过共产党政权了吗？下场如何大家都是知道的。
阿富汗如果非要搞独裁不可的话，台湾，南韩模式，或者君主立宪恐怕更靠谱些。
上阿富汗政府网站找了下，没有发现相关的谈话。只有一个新华社记者的采访，全文如下：
Full Transcript of President Karzai’s Interview with Xinhua News Agency
26 March, 2014
Xinhua Correspondent:
Mr. President, first I thank you so much for receiving our interview, I know you are very busy and we highly appreciate this opportunity, as you know, you will attend the conference on interactions and confidence building measures in Asia this May in China, do you have any expectation about the conference?
President Karzai:
Well, the title of the conference shows that we, in this part of the world, in particular, need a lot more interactions and coordination of policies and approaches to the common interest of this region, therefore, a get-together of this nature and in a country as important as China for the world and for this region is significant and of value.
Correspondent:
And we know that under your presidency, the bilateral relationship between Afghanistan and China has experienced a great development and also Chinese President Xi Jinping has proposed the Silk Road economic belt initiative last year. And Afghanistan was on Silk Road thousands of years ago. What is your expectation about future cooperation between Afghanistan and China and what areas it should be developed between the two countries?
President Karzai:
Well this is very important. I am very happy to say that, indeed, in the past 12 years, during my tenure, my government, the relations between China and Afghanistan developed massively into a strategic partnership, into a deep cooperation for both with regard to issues in this region and also issues internationally. Between China and Afghanistan, we have some areas of interest that are of significance to both countries. The war against terrorism, stability in this region, economic cooperation in this region, in addition to all other areas of cooperation that the two countries have bilaterally and regionally.
Now, the idea by president Xi of the Silk Road is important historically and relevant to the current environment and to the current economic needs of this region. More importantly for the Afghanistan, it is of significance, because we want to be directly connected to China, China and Afghanistan havea border, and we can be connected by road and by other means of transportation- That’s what Afghanistan is working on. So indeed, the expansion of the Silk Road or the recreation and reactivation of the Silk Road through China and then the connectivity between Afghanistan and China in this regard is of a high value to us.
Correspondent:
Now, I want to ask you a question which is focused by all the world right now. As you know that the BSA is a hot issue recently. My question is do you think the signing of BSA is crucial for Afghanistan, and why, and there is a rumor that you might sign the BSA at the last moments of you presidency. Is that true or not?
President Karzai:
That’s not true. That’s not true. The BSA with the United States of America if it guarantees peace in Afghanistan, if it guarantees a true, a real fight against terrorism- a genuine fight against terrorism, then it’s good for Afghanistan and for the region. But if it does not bring peace to Afghanistan and if the war on terrorism continues to be done in a manner as it is done today, without results for all of us and with continuing bloodshed of the innocent people in Afghanistan and the region. Then the signing of the BSA will be of no interest to Afghanistan. And that’s why; I have conditioned the singing of the BSA, to peace in Afghanistan and to stability in this region.
Correspondent:
Mr. President, as we all know that, looking back on your 10-year presidency, the Afghan-U.S. relations has experienced ups and downs, sometimes very good and sometimes not so good. And my question is how do you see the role the U.S. had played in Afghanistan’s reconstruction in the past 13 years?
President Karzai:
Well, relations between Afghanistan and the United States began to suffer in a public way from 2007, 2008 onwards, and mainly, mainly, because of the manner in which the so-called war on terror was conducted and in Afghan soil. We believed that the United States and its allies and NATO must conduct the war on terror where the sanctuaries are, where the terrorist training grounds are, where the financial resources to terrorism are.
That the war on terror is not in Afghan villages or in the bombardment or injuring or killing of Afghan families and children, people and in the arrest of the Afghan people. That it is not there.
Therefore, this decline in relations, this tension in our relations began in public in 2007, from 2007 to 2008 until today.
Where the reconstruction of Afghanistan is concerned, in areas where the United States and other countries have helped in the reconstruction of Afghanistan, where that has been of benefit to Afghanistan, we are grateful, we are thankful, we are thankful for the U.S. taxpayers’ money. They are hardworking people. That has been spent in Afghanistan and the Afghan people are grateful for the reconstruction in Afghanistan and where that reconstruction has been truly in the interest of Afghanistan and for Afghanistan.
Correspondent:
Nowadays, the presidential election in Afghanistan is a hot issue, which is concerned worldwide. And we know that some of the candidates like Dr. Ashraf Ghani and Dr. Rassoul had both served in your government, and well Dr. Abdullah Abdullah was your opponent during last elections. My question is how do you see the advantages and disadvantages of each of them? And do you have any expectations for the elections?
President Karzai:
Well, elections will take place on the fifth of April, just about 10 days from today, and take place definitely, and the Afghan people will come out and vote for the next president of Afghanistan, and that’s good for the Afghanistan.
As for the candidates, all the candidates are respected Afghans and I wish them all the best.
Correspondent:
Do you have any expectations for the election and do you have any expectations for the upcoming new president of Afghanistan?
President Karzai:
Well, for my expectations of the elections is that it will produce a clear result that the elections will be, will have proper participation of the Afghan people. The next government will come with the mandate of the Afghan people so to be able to serve the best interest of Afghanistan.
Form the candidates, my expectations, is the same like all other Afghans, the same expectation that people had of me, we all will have of the next president of Afghanistan to serve the country in the best possible way.
Correspondent:
I know that, there are so many books about you in the market, now, since you are going to leave office in weeks, if you want to write a book about your autobiography or your presidency, what are you going to write about? What do you think is the important points like the happiness, sadness, success and even failure?
Surely, there is a lot that I have to write about, and if I write a book, it will have good stories, happy stories and sad stories, it will also have bad stories in it, it will have successes and failures, but in my view, the greatest success of Afghanistan in the past 10 years has been that Afghanistan once again became the home of all Afghans, the home for all Afghans. The unity of Afghanistan and the progress that we have achieved, and then the education and the literacy rates going higher and better economy, all of those things, for which we are grateful to all those countries which have helped us.
Now, I can assure you on one thing that if I write a book, China will be a prominent part of that book, in a very good way; it’s been a steady friend and a very wise friend. That’s very important.
Correspondent:
And also I noticed that some of the books about you are sold in China, and a lot of costumers love this kind of books about you.
President Karzai:
I am glad that’s the case.
Correspondent:
I hope in the future, we can read more excellent books about you.
President Karzai:
Yes, I hope someone can write a book with all the truth about Afghanistan and myself, and I hope that I can also get to put my whole words in order in a book.
Correspondent:
We know that when you are serving as the president of Afghanistan, that is the public image of you. And also I am sure that your family must have undergone a lot of pressure, when you are serving as the President. We want to know what kind of role; do you play at home during your presidency? And after your presidency, how will you protect your family? And what are you going to do after your retirement?
President Karzai:
Well, I will be an ex-president of Afghanistan, and a citizen of Afghanistan, I will continue my life as such and will have, of course, more time to be socially active with my family and friends, and relatives and with the Afghan people. My family has had good protection and my family will continue to have good protection into the future as well. So, that is no worry.
Correspondent:
I noticed that you are humorous and an open kind of person, my question is do you really have some time along yourself every day?
President Karzai:
Not really much, not really much, not really much. But surely, under any circumstances, people in my position, individuals in my position will have time, personal time as well, so, it has not been much in my case but in a few, in a few days time, we will have the Afghan elections, and in less than two months, the next president will be here, so I will have more time, more personal time.
Correspondent:
We have learned that some of your family members had been assassinated by the Taliban. We are sorry about that. However, you are still working on the national reconciliation and keep on persuading the Taliban to join the peace process, and you even call them as your brothers, despite that the Taliban has rejected your call several times. Do you regret for not reaching the reconciliation with the Taliban during your term in office? As the president of Afghanistan, how do you see Taliban’s role in the national peace process?
President Karzai:
Yes, Taliban have killed my father and my brother, and so many other Afghans, so many other Afghans. Those Taliban who are Afghans, who are seeking peace, who are also suffering like the rest of Afghanistan is suffering, they are Afghan citizens, then Afghan citizens are our brothers. We are seeking peace with them, I am seeking peace with them, this country cannot be in war forever, this country needs to have peace, therefore, peace is an absolute first necessity of life, no society can live in war forever, and shouldn't live in war forever. Therefore, it is my effort, it will continue to be my effort, I will be available also as the citizen of Afghanistan for the pursuit of peace and will be working honestly for it. As it is a human need, and a necessity as I said before. Therefore, I will continue to work for peace, I wish I could have brought complete peace to Afghanistan during my tenure but I am sure as we move forward to the next government. They will also continue to work for peace, and certainly, one day sooner rather than later, Afghanistan will have peace.
Correspondent:
Thank you very much, thank you very much for taking your time for our interview. We sincerely wish prosperity and peace to the Afghan people and Afghanistan as a country. We hope, we want regard and best wishes to you and your family and we hope, in the future you have more chances to go to China to visit.
President Karzai:
Sure, my message to the people of China is a message of tremendous goodwill from the Afghan people and gratitude from the Afghan people.
And the Chinese people have been good to us, and good neighbor to us, and to President Xi Jinping that his idea of the Silk Road is excellent for the region, for the larger region, and especially for Afghanistan and for China. And the next government of Afghanistan, the next president of Afghanistan will surely be equally or even more in pursuit of stronger ties with China.
Correspondent:
Thank you.
President Karzai:
Thank you sir, good to talk to you.
All the best, most welcome! |
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