日前,在达沃斯论坛上,马云接受CNBC记者安德鲁·罗斯·索尔金(Andrew Ross Sorkin)的采访,展开了一场别开生面的对谈。提问尖锐,对答精彩,再次让我们见识到马云的口才与魅力。但整场对话里,最触动外媒神经的,是开场不久,马云说,美国不应该怪中国人抢走他们的工作,如果要怪,只能怪自己。
为什么呢?他是这样论述的:
"American international companies made millions and millions of dollars from globalization."
美国跨国企业在全球化过程中赚得盆满钵满。
"IBM, Microsoft, the profit they made was larger than the top four banks in China put together ... But where did the money go?"
IBM、微软,这些大公司赚的钱比中国四大银行总利润都高……但钱都到哪儿去了?
关键还是美国的战略错误,导致钱没花对地方:
"In the past 30 years, America had 13 wars spending $14.2 trillion. What if they spend part of the money on building infrastructure, helping the white collars and blue collars? No matter how good your strategy is you’re supposed to spend money on your own people."
"The money goes to Wall Street. Then what happened? Year 2008 wiped out $19.2 trillion in US income … What if the money was spent on the Midwest of the United States?"
One day I got a request from some people: 'Jack do you want to meet the president-elect?' I said, 'Is that true? I'm not ready for that, 'cause I don't know what to talk about.' And then a few days later, I got another request. I got several requests. I thought about it. I think, yes, maybe I should go and have a talk. At least I think President-elect Donald Trump would be happy to hear what I talk about, so I went.
The world needs a new leadership. But the new leadership is about working together. This is what I understand. We do not necessarily need one specific leader to teach us what to do, what not to do.
As a businessperson, I want the world to share the prosperity together, to join the force together. As a Chinese, I'm happy about what he committed. This is the first time I heard a Chinese leader putting a number on the commitment. This makes me excited because China is transforming from exporting to importing. If there's a concrete number, if we could fulfill it, this is going to be a huge change to China and to the world.
I hope both are right. And because the world can never have one mode. If the world has only one correct mode, the world's too boring. We need to have all kinds of modes. And the people who do the mode should believe the mode. And I believe what I do.
Amazon is more like an empire. Everything they control themselves, buy and sell. And our philosophy is that we want to be an eco-system. Our philosophy is to empower others to sell, empower others to serve, to make sure the other people are more powerful than us. Our philosophy is that we think using internet technology, we can make every company become Amazon.
We made same-day delivery possible in 125 cities last year. Imagine 10 years ago, deliver one thing from Beijing to Hangzhou took about 8 days. Now you can deliver things from Beijing to Inner Mongolia, some cities within 12 hours. It's improving. You can never expect these things to happen within 24 hours. We have patience.
This is what we feel proud of. It's not how much money we made, it's not how powerful we are, it's that we can make technology very inclusive. Every small company can use it. This is my dream.
As an e-commerce, when you have 10 million small business, and empower them to sell, you cannot check every product like Amazon does. So e-commerce itself may have a lot of flaws.
In the past 17 years, we are the leader in anti-piracy issues. With big progress last year alone, we put 400 people in jail. We deleted 370 million fake products off our site.
Five years ago, we had a big debate about 10 years later, 20 years later, what are the things the Chinese society want? We say "happiness" and "health" - the two "H" strategy.
We believe Hollywood, the movie industry, can bring people happiness. Because today nobody is happy. Rich people are not happy, and poor people are not happy. At least when I watch movie, I feel happy. So I think we should be partner with Hollywood.
My favorite movie is Forrest Gump. When people call me crazy and stupid in the past 17 years, I told myself Forrest Gump said 'Go ahead, never care about other people'.
And Gump also said: 'Nobody makes money by catching whales, people make money by catching shrimps.' So we serve small business.
另外阿甘还说“都去捕鲸赚不到钱,抓小虾米才赚钱。”所以,我们服务小企业、小生意。
觉不觉得这段回答简直是托福口语模板,以小见大,晓之以理,动之以情。
6 中美不该打贸易战,给特朗普一些时间
有观众向马云提问——中美之间会不会发生贸易战争,这是很多人关心的问题,马云的答案也十分清晰明了。
I think China and the US should never have a trade war and we will never have a trade war. And I think we should give president-elect Trump some time. I believe one thing, when trade stops, the world stops.
The world is so wonderful, why should I always be the CEO of Alibaba? I come to this world not to work, I come to this world to enjoy my life. I don't want to die in my office, I want to die at the beach.